2009 All Motor Index Rules FINAL

[Richard Maitre]

2009 All Motor Index class
GENERAL OVERVIEW:
•   All Motor Index is a class designed for N/A door cars racing in an index format with an all run field.
•   Limited to all Naturally Aspirated door cars running on gasoline only.
•   Vehicles are required to meet NHRA/IHRA safety tech to be eligible to run.
•   AMI will be based on a handicapped .500 PRO tree. A Sportsman ladder will determine running order. Points will be awarded at end of event to be compiled for year end points fund.
•   Qualifying will be based on closest to his/her index. Ties will go to first to achieve.
ENGINE:
•   All engines are allowed, no limit on size or make, engine swapping is allowed. 
•   Mufflers required. One race waiver will be allowed
•   Gasoline is the only fuel allowed   
•   There are no limits on cylinder heads or internal engine modifications.
BALLAST:
•   Must be NHRA/IHRA approved mounting and be maximum 100# per individual weight bar and be bolted or welded securely in car.
•   Two ½" bolts per 100#'s.
•   No loose or unsecured ballast allowed.
CARBURETORS/INDUCTION:
•   Any carburetor(s) allowed.
•   DFI and EFI allowed
TRANSMISSION:
•   Any converter OK but ALL SHIFTS must occur manually by the driver.
•   NO AUTOMATIC SHIFTERS!
•   Transbrakes and two steps allowed
•   NO delay boxes or purposely marketed throttle stops allowed.
SUSPENSION:
•   Tubs, Mini tubs, backhalves and notched frame rails allowed.
•   Ladder bars 4 links, coil overs allowed
•   Rack and Pinion conversion for the front suspension is allowed. 
•   Wheelie bars are permitted
INTERIOR:
•   OEM dash and door panels and interior carpeted are preferred, intentions to have OEM appearance.
•   Headliner is preferred.
•   Steering column may be modified, preferred: maintain stock appearance.
•   Two seats are preferred in stock location.
HOOD AND SCOOP:
•   Cowl induction hoods, forward facing scoops can be any size
•   Fiberglass hoods and body panels allowed.
ELECTRICAL:
•   No throttle stops, delay boxes or auto shifters. 
•   Functional headlights preferred as well as taillights, running lights and horn.
TIRES:
•   No limits on tire design or size.
WEIGHTS:
•   Weights are not a factor in AMI and will not be scaled.
INDEX GROUPINGS:         
•   A/AMI 9.50  B/AMI 10.00  C/AMI 10.50  D/AMI 11.00  E/AMI 11.50  F/AMI 12.00  G/AMI 12.50  H/AMI 13.00……It is the driver/team responsibility to accept the dial in posted when staging the car.
•    There will be no changing of indexes during the course of a raceday.
STARTING LINE CONDUCT:
•   Courtesy Staging will be in effect at all races. This means that no car can enter the second staging light until both cars have entered the first prestage light.
•   "Deep Staging" is allowed. Must be written on car to alert the starter and competitor.
•   All cars must stage under their own power, cars must be driven to staging lanes and back to the pit area after run, with  the exception of a break, then car may be towed back only with permission. Competition Bye-runs not required to run to advance. First round lane choice is determined by qualifying order, subsequent rounds based on coin toss. Over 64 car field first round will be paired randomly.
SPECIAL NOTES:
•   No N02 equipment will be allowed on the car, all plates, plumbing, selonoids, lines, nozzles, bottles, etc. must be removed from the vehicle. Only exception to the rule will be for first time racers, they will recieve a one race waiver to compete, but the system will be thoroughly inspected and sealed to show its disconnected.

[shadow41246]

 the change is noted & shouldn't change things, hopefully it will draw enough cars !!!!   SHADOW 

[shadow41246]

RICH, at what point in time do the rules become OFFICIAL , just wondering ?     SHADOW     

[REDGAR]

At first I did not see a change so I ran a program on the rules to see cause I am lazy and have horrible short term memory which is not a problem since my horrible long term memory allows me to forget that.
What was I saying?

Here is the synopsis.

• No longer says rear wheel drive so we are open to front and all wheel drive cars.
• added "It is the driver/team responsibility to accept the dial in posted when staging the car."
  
• added "First round lane choice is determined by qualifying order, subsequent rounds based on coin toss. Over 64 car field first round will be paired randomly."

Thanks for the updates Boss

[Richard Maitre]

I may be wrong but I think we are all aware that the rules aren't really changing for AMI, just some things that needed to be added in writing that were just stated last year. Pretty much these will go to official unless someone sees something I forgot.

Rich

[Oldsmoduck]

Deep staging is allowed again?

[REDGAR]

Yes it is and was all this year too.

Where you been man?

[Oldsmoduck]

All work, no play!  08 was a crazy year for me!

I'll be out and about this season.. 

[bad_bu]

is the tree gonna be on "auto start"?  basically, the same sportsman type conduct required for staging will be assumed for deep stagers?  my wife does pretty good on a regular tree NOT deep staging.  she is curious if she is gonna be aloud a little time to go deep, or will she be on the clock?  im not talking minutes to stage here...just enuf time so that its not a "high pressure" situation...lol.

[1SlowFormula]

normally it is auto start, this is why you let the guy your running agains know your going deep. Out of curtesy they will let you go deep before they bump in to set off the auto start, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. I for one try and wait for the deep guys, but other may not thinking making them jump deep might give them some advantage...

[Richard Maitre]

I am pretty sure every instance but one last year went well. The one I think they rolled in at the same exact time, tree came down fast.

Rich

[pokadot1]

Being The deep stage king       Most AMI racers will give you time to go in deep . Remember you need to both have the top bulb's on before either one can light the second bulb or go deep so you need to be quick.  I got a few quick stages in the other lane not allowing me to go all the way to deep or be ready to leave. I also lite both bulbs before my fellow racer could lite there  top bulb, I had rolled to far tring get deep. I also with a different racer went deep  before he, also a deep stager, was ready to go deep himself.  So he was rushed and did not get deep in time so it goes both ways. I was backing up in the first case when him rolled in and gave me time to go deep "Thanks" . I did not know the other car was a fellow deeper to after the run. Dum me, I know to check for a fellow deep car just forgot. I was sorry both times if that makes a difference, I know thats racing.
   So It can be done 95% of the time without a problem. I learned to "be ready to go" as I rolled in. The rpm was at "leave" rpm before I lite the first bulb.
    Almost every one likes to stage last, so they will let you go first.
 good luck.
 

[TnE Falcon]

Something to keep in mind ...

    Courtesy staging and deep staging are both good things ,but, it's touchy doing both with autostart,because when both top bulbs are on for courtesy stage and I wait for the deep stager for too long, I will be counted out (red lighted) in10 seconds from the time they lite their 2nd bulb(on their way in to deep).   (autostart count down begins when a 3rd bulb is lit ) tic,tic,tic,tic,ten,RED

So... when I see them lite the 2nd bulb I start bumping in, which means we'll be staging together.

                                            Dan

[85 stang]

No deep staging would fix this!Trans brakes,2 steps just like Super pro brackets less a delay box! Lets all foot brake and have fun! 2 cents Steve 

[RRCPERF]

No deep staging would fix this!Trans brakes,2 steps just like Super pro brackets less a delay box! Lets all foot brake and have fun! 2 cents Steve 

x2    i like the way you think

[racecarpop]

After the prestage lights are lit it is the responsibility of the deep stager to get in first. I agree with Dan, once that third light is lit I am going in and doing my thing. I sometimes deep stage and sometimes I don't. I stage based on how much time I want to knock off.

[bad_bu]

After the prestage lights are lit it is the responsibility of the deep stager to get in first. I agree with Dan, once that third light is lit I am going in and doing my thing. I sometimes deep stage and sometimes I don't. I stage based on how much time I want to knock off.

so at what point does the whole "courtesy" staging not matter?  listen i am a seasoned bracket racer, i understand full well all about starting line tricks as well as sportsmanship.  but when they are going to list a rule to be in effect for "courstesy" staging, then it should apply for the WHOLE process, not just the one light.  but i do understand that you run the risk of a DQ if you are waiting for the other person taking thier time to go deep.  its a double edge sword a guess.

[RRCPERF]

so at what point does the whole "courtesy" staging not matter?  listen i am a seasoned bracket racer, i understand full well all about starting line tricks as well as sportsmanship.  but when they are going to list a rule to be in effect for "courstesy" staging, then it should apply for the WHOLE process, not just the one light.  but i do understand that you run the risk of a DQ if you are waiting for the other person taking thier time to go deep.  its a double edge sword a guess.
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 i can help you with this, at mason dixon last year the other person i was racing,  came out of the burnout and turned on both bulbs, so i waited for him to back up, the starter backed him up and i turned on the top bulb and then he turned on the second bulb , just as i started to move, he tried to set his trans. break and rolled far enough forward to turn off both bulbs. so i thought he fowled and i would get the win, i was so wrong. the started let him back up and try again.
trust me it will not happen again.
i have a rule book in the trailer and i will protest next time.

[bad_bu]

so at what point does the whole "courtesy" staging not matter?  listen i am a seasoned bracket racer, i understand full well all about starting line tricks as well as sportsmanship.  but when they are going to list a rule to be in effect for "courstesy" staging, then it should apply for the WHOLE process, not just the one light.  but i do understand that you run the risk of a DQ if you are waiting for the other person taking thier time to go deep.  its a double edge sword a guess.

 i can help you with this, at mason dixon last year the other person i was racing,  came out of the burnout and turned on both bulbs, so i waited for him to back up, the starter backed him up and i turned on the top bulb and then he turned on the second bulb , just as i started to move, he tried to set his trans. break and rolled far enough forward to turn off both bulbs. so i thought he fowled and i would get the win, i was so wrong. the started let him back up and try again.
trust me it will not happen again.
i have a rule book in the trailer and i will protest next time.
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how does this help?

[RRCPERF]

what not to do    lol 

dan and  racecarpop  have it right.   i agree with them

[TnE Falcon]

After the prestage lights are lit it is the responsibility of the deep stager to get in first. I agree with Dan, once that third light is lit I am going in and doing my thing. I sometimes deep stage and sometimes I don't. I stage based on how much time I want to knock off.

so at what point does the whole "courtesy" staging not matter?  listen i am a seasoned bracket racer, i understand full well all about starting line tricks as well as sportsmanship.  but when they are going to list a rule to be in effect for "courstesy" staging, then it should apply for the WHOLE process, not just the one light.  but i do understand that you run the risk of a DQ if you are waiting for the other person taking thier time to go deep.  its a double edge sword a guess.

....bu, I'm not sure what you mean by"the WHOLE process"
I totally support courtesy staging (don't like starting line tricks)
Once both pre-stage lights are on shallow guys are good to go.
If there is a deep guy involved and I wait for him to lite 2 bulbs (but only after both top bulbs are lit)we're in the same position(good to go),but we're now both on a timer.
I have no problems with deep staging or courtesy staging.  Deep is just another tool for drivers and their particular combinations. Courtesy staging is just that,"courtious"

                                                   Dan

[Richard Maitre]

Dan, you are a gentleman...........Killer on the tree, killing them with kindness, lol. I gotta say if you keep your cool and remember how we prefer to do this, the other guy can play as many tricks as he wants, but in most cases you can equally hang him out to dry if so be it.

Rich

[racecarpop]

Don't get me wrong, I will courtesy stage but I will not waite for a guy to deep. To me it changes my rythum. If you want to deep stage set the bottom bulb and as soon as the other guy lights his get in.

[bad_bu]

ok...just wanted some clarity on the subject.  and now i know...lol

[85 stang]

Still easy fix NO DEEP STAGING! No double bulbs and all that non sense.Down to 1 cent Steve

[bad_bu]

Still easy fix NO DEEP STAGING! No double bulbs and all that non sense.Down to 1 cent Steve

some cars need the deep staging to hit the tree. 

[pokadot1]

Still easy fix NO DEEP STAGING! No double bulbs and all that non sense.Down to 1 cent Steve

 Even easer fix.... everybody deep stage then send the tree 
Just Kidding   
  Don't worry about it... I am gone from AMI and I was the about the only "every round"  deep stager in AMI.
Last years rules were just fine for all racers. dont worry about those Hated "deep stagers"
 cliffy

[beaker300]

Deep doesn't matter no reason to complain about it everything is on a timer now the starter does not hold the tree autostart is activated with more of a delay so just race your race then you do not have a problem