2011 Goodyear Drag Radial class rules

[Richard Maitre]

2011 Goodyear Drag Radial Rules
ENGINE
• All engines are allowed and engine swapping is allowed during the event.
• Aftermarket aluminum or steel blocks allowed.
• Cubic inch’s will be verified by P&G method.
• Mufflers are mandatory and collector mufflers will be allowed, 3 inch maximum
  diameter measured at exhaust exit.
• Gasoline is the only fuel allowed.
• Cylinder heads limited to those on the list provided. **See Approved Head Listing**
• Racer must verify legal part # head during inspection to be deemed legal. Any
  modifications allowed to legal heads. New heads have been added to list for 2011 with weight adder.
• Dry Sump oiling systems prohibited. Vacuum pumps allowed.

BALLAST
• Must be NHRA/IHRA approved mounting and be maximum 100# per individual
  weight bar and be bolted or welded securely in car.
• Two ½” bolts per 100#’s.
• No loose or unsecured ballast allowed.

CARBURETORS/INDUCTION
• Any carburetor(s) allowed. (2) 4150carbs allowed on small blocks only, with weight adder. BOPA not considered small block
• Cast intake manifolds only. Composites allowed.
• EFI allowed. (2) throttle bodies allowed on small blocks only.

TRANSMISSION
• Any automatic or oem style manual transmissions allowed. NO clutchless allowed. No convertor driven manual allowed.
• Any converter OK
• NO AUTOMATIC SHIFTERS! All shifts must be made manually by driver.

SUSPENSION
• Stock rear frame rails and stock suspension only. The use of bolt on suspension
  devices only. Coil-overs OK.
• Front frame rails must be stock and in stock location. Aftermarket K-members
  allowed.
• Mini tubs and notched frame rails allowed.
• Rack and Pinion conversion for the front suspension is allowed.
• Wheelie bars are permitted

INTERIOR
• OEM dash and door panels are preferred and interior carpeted, intentions to
  have OEM appearance.
• Two seats are preferred in stock location.

HOOD AND SCOOP
• Forward facing scoops limited to 5” measured from flat of hood to top of
  opening. Scoops measuring above 5” must run plugged.
• Cowl induction hoods can be any size.
• Fiberglass body pieces must bolt on or pin on, no one piece front ends.

ELECTRICAL
• Two step, trans brakes and line locks are OK.
• Functional headlights preferred as well as taillights, running lights and horn.
• Data Acquisition systems allowed

TIRES
The maximum allowed tire size is 275/60
• Tires must be of D.O.T. radial design

WEIGHTS
• 300/2575, 325/2725, 350/2875, 375/3025, 400/3175, 425/3275, 450/3375,
  475/3450, 500/3525, 525/3575, 6lbs/per cube [300-399], 4lbs/per cube [400-449], 3 lbs/per
  cube [450-499], 2lbs per cube over 500
• (2) 4150 style carbs allowed on sb combos add 25 lbs. BOA engines subtract 150lbs, Pontiac combos add 25lbs. Highlighted heads will be allowed this year with a 75 lb weight adder.
  Subtract 50lb for 1981 and older cars.
• Subtract 25lbs for no wheelie bars, subtract 50lbs for P/G, subtract 25 lbs for 4150 carb.

STARTING LINE CONDUCT
• Courtesy Staging will be in effect at all races. This means that no car can enter
  the second staging light until both cars have entered the first pre-stage light.
• Towing will be allowed to the staging lanes and from the scales.

SPECIAL NOTES
•PLEASE NOTE-Because of the limited car count in this class, we will be evaluating
  the rules per race to make sure paridy is kept to keep the competition fair within
  the group of existing racers. Changes WILL be made to keep this class alive and
  viable.
• No N02 equipment will be allowed on the car, all plates, plumbing, solenoids,
  lines, nozzles, bottles, etc. must be removed from the vehicle. Only exception to
  the rule will be for first time racers, they will receive a one race waiver to
  compete, but the system will be thoroughly inspected and sealed to show its
  disconnected
*******All rules will be evaluated periodically for parity and will be adjusted accordingly*******


APPROVED HEADS LIST
AMC
-Any oem
Indy
- 401SR
SBC
AFR
- 180cc SBC Street Head
- 195cc SBC Street Head
- 195cc SBC Eliminator
- 210cc SBC Racing Head
- 210cc SBC SPEC Head
- 220cc SBC Racing Head
- 227cc SBC Racing Head
- 180cc LT1 SBC Street
- 195cc LT4 SBC Street
- 210cc LT4 SBC Racing
- 220cc LT4 SBC Racing
- 227cc LT4 SBC Racing
- 165cc Emission Legal
- 165cc Non-Emission Legal
- 185cc Emission Legal
- 185cc Non-Emission Legal
- 205cc Mongoose Street LS1
- 225cc Mongoose Strip LS1
ALLPRO
- AP220S
- SS23
- 305-23
- RR-245
Brodix
- sbc oval port Head Hunter
- -8 PRO,-8,-10,sp, 10 ri,-11,-11std, -11X, 11ri
- RR180 200
- Track1,1X
- IK,JJ 180, 200, 210
Canfield
- 23-500, 600
DART
- Iron eagle 180-230
- Pro 1 180-230
-220 std port, 220 RI
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
- Victor Jr.
GM
- Any offered on prod. engines
- 292 Turbo
- Bowtie,II, vortec, vortec bowtie, fastburn, LT1, LT4, LS1, LS2, LS6, L92, LS7
- 101 phase VI RR
- 867 Pontiac
Holley
- SBC
Patriot Performance
- SBC Freedom Series
Protopline, RHS
- 23 degree Pro aluminum Lightning
- Iron Lightning, Pro Lightning, Torquer
- Raised Runner 23
PROCOMP
-sbc, LS1, LS3
PROFILER
- 176 series sbc
Trick Flow
- R series 215
- KD Series
- LT1
World
- Motown
- S/R, Torquer
- Sportsman
- Motown Lite
BBC
Brodix
- RRBB-O
- RRBB-R
- RRBB-2plus
- JJ 270, 294
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
- Extreme
GM
- Any offered on prod. engines
- ZZ502,ZZ572
- 074, 077, L-88 alum.
HOLLEY
-BBC
PROCOMP
-320cc
SBF
AFR
- 165cc Emission Legal
- 165cc Non-Emission Legal
- 185cc Emission Legal
- 185cc Non-Emission Legal
- 205cc SBF Race Head
- 225cc SBF Race Head
Brodix
- Track1,1X
- ST5.0, R
Canfield
-SBF
DART
- Pro 1
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
- Victor Jr.
Ford
- Any offered on prod. engines
- GT-40, X, Y
Holley
-SBF
Patriot Performance
- SBF
PROCOMP
- SBF, 351C
Protopline, RHS
- Iron, alum. Cyclone, Pro Cyclone
Trick Flow
- Twisted wedge, track heat
- Street Heat, high port
World
- Windsor, Alum., Roush
BBF
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
Ford
-Any offered on prod. engines
PROCOMP
-bbf
Trick Flow
-290 Power Port
SBM
Brodix
- B1BA
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
Indy
- 360-1
- 360-2
Mopar
- Any offered on prod. Engines
- W2
- P4876785
- P5007950
- P4876310
BBM
Brodix
- B1BS
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
Indy
- EZ
Mopar
- Any offered on prod. Engines
- P4529993
- P5007494
- P5249824
- P4876311
- P4876855 Hemi
- P5153875 Hemi
PROCOMP
-440 head
Pontiac
- Any offered on prod. Engines exc. RA V
Edelbrock
-Performer and RPM series
KRE
-D Port
Wenzler
- Wenzler 2
Oldsmobile
- Any offered on prod. Engines
Bulldog
- sb/bb street/strip/race
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
Buick
- Any offered on prod. Engines
Edelbrock
- Performer and RPM series
T/A
- T/A Street Elim. Stage 1

[Richard Maitre]

Please note the additional heads on the list for this year, also the nostalgia body style weight breaks, just a few subtle tweaks, we really want to make this class the one to watch this season.

Questions and concerns about rules......email Rich@Ramracing.us

[10secondranchero]

How much weight added for the new heads??

[Richard Maitre]

75lbs for the highlighted heads

Rich

[85SALEEN]

I think you just sped the class up  2 tenths

[Richard Maitre]

Norm, I dont think so, I may be wrong. The heads added are making the same power as the others, just a pinch better and the difference should be made up in weight.

Rich

[85SALEEN]

High Ports have been VERY fast and are one of the best in line 20* heads out there. They rival the 7721. I have said it before, Bob Hanlon how fast has he been with them 8.7x 2 years ago. I know I don't race D/R but I really want too and allowing the High Port changes everything.

Did you get a chance to look at the 290 Big Block head?

[RRCPERF]

hey norm , i have some nice high ports i will sell you

[10secondranchero]

Mike,

Norm is looking for a roller also!!  Let's make a package deal!!!

[85SALEEN]

That's funny Mike, because I sold mine to build this Big Block. Maybe I can sell the Big Block stuff and get my High Ports Back

And yes I am looking for a roller.

In all seriousness, all of the heads that have been put on the list are some SERIOUS pieces of hardware.

Honestly, I spoke before I could take it all in and have a drink and settle down from the horrible day I had.

[John Langer]

FYI, you can get that all-pro RR245 head to 15* and will make north of 975hp w/ 420".  That is around what the Pontiac makes at 500" and you just put weight on him... 

[Richard Maitre]

Maybe they can make that, but it hasnt been done that I know of. Best set I know of made 880 on a 427. Three of the Drag Radial 415-420s that have already run or is currently running make 840-86o with standard port location heads. As far as the High Ports, I think they would make more power if you dropped the exhaust port about .500. They dont move any air really, nothing more than what is already out there. Yes Bob has run .70s with them, do you also realize that Ron could remove 400 lbs. to run 10.5 that would of had him in high 50s low 60s with the standard port. So 75 lbs on top of the new stuff I think is fair at this point.

Rich

[Richard Maitre]

The 290 heads I have looked at. What makes them different in their core-ing from the 360s? I am pretty sure they are the same casting, just different bolt pattern on exhaust and the cnc program makes them 360s. When you get closer to being done Norm, or when you get to the point where a decision must be made, we can see if they are on the table at that time.

Rich

[85SALEEN]

The 360 is just a cnc version of the 290. It is Not the A head. When I get closer to being done and have sunk $4000 in a set of Edelbrock's I don't think I am going to be switching. I don't have an unlimited budget. I barely have any budget at all.

And as far as Bob, put an auto in it and take out the weight penalty for a stick and it is a wash.

I am not trying to re-write the rules, or tell you how to write them, just pointing out what I think I know(which isn't much)

[85SALEEN]

Sorry I read that wrong. The 360 head is completely different. It is a raised runner head and is the same coring as the a-460 head. The 290 head doesn't even have the same roof line as a CJ head. The 325 Is a cnc version of the 290 head but I don't want that one. I would rather have the un-ported version and have someone do the work.

Shoot, I cant even get shaft rocker for those  heads so you know I am at a dis-advantage   

[Richard Maitre]

Ok let me look at this, now that ya made a point of it.

Bob Hanlon according to 2010 rules
10.5 weight with clutchless trans   2875   8.70s
Drag Radial weight auto 2011 rules 2960   8.90s

Ron Rhodes according to 2010 rules
Drag Radial weight auto 2010 rules 3210   8.94
10.5 weight with auto                  2735   8.465 even with a stick wt. no difference in perf. at 2885 8.615

I am pretty sure there isnt alot of TFS Highports as good as Bob's and not alot of 23 degree std port better than Rons
Looks like the stock style heads in this scenerio is still better by 2+ tenths then the TFS.

I may be wrong but this is how I am looking at this.

Rich

[Richard Maitre]

After further research I have added the TFS 290 Powerport heads to the BBF listings with no adder.

Rich

[10secondranchero]

Norm,

Build a Hi port SBF and show us that your right.  After lots of conversations I don't think with a 75 weight adder that they are the answer, but I'm a nobody that is a small fish in a big horsepower pond!! 

[85SALEEN]

Mike,

I don't have a set anymore and I am not going to buy another. I am done with small blocks. Why work with  such a small bore. Big Bore, short stroke lots of RPM = horsepower. You have a set just swap out your Twisted Wedge heads and light it up. You and I both know they make way more power than what you have.


I think if someone does use them or any of the other heads that were added, it will make for some good racing.

As for me, I wont be racing this year but I hope to be out sometime next year.

I could be someones crew guy though, you now pull you up to the line stick my foot in it to see where it at  wave you forward all that good stuff   

[10secondranchero]

I agree that they are better then what I have, but that's not saying alot.  I probably have the cheapest heads in Drag Radial.  All I'm saying is with the approved list, there are heads on there that are better then the Hi Ports, and I'm not interested in weighing 3250 with my little Ford motor. 

[BAD-289]

As for me, I wont be racing this year but I hope to be out sometime next year.

I could be someones crew guy though, you now pull you up to the line stick my foot in it to see where it at  wave you forward all that good stuff   

All that and your not  racing 2011 ?  ...........

[85SALEEN]

As for me, I wont be racing this year but I hope to be out sometime next year.

I could be someones crew guy though, you now pull you up to the line stick my foot in it to see where it at  wave you forward all that good stuff   

All that and your not  racing 2011 ?  ...........

What does the time frame on when my car will be done have to do with me having an opinion?


I had a conversation with Rich 3 years ago when I dropped a set of High Ports off to him. I asked about them in D/R and his responce was, I don't need Bob Hanlon slapping radials on his car and ruining the class.

anyway like I said I am building a big block.

I am sorry for causing such an uproar

[10secondranchero]

Norm,

I think the problem is every winter half a dozen people get on here talking about the Drag Radial car they are building and come the 1st race of the season it's always the same 4 or 5 people all the time showing up.  I would love to be competitive, but I will be out there supporting the class until that time comes.  Basically Joe's WTF was why do you care if your not racing!!

[85SALEEN]

Its all good. I should still be able to voice an opinion, I didn't just wake up yesterday morning and say, hum I think I'm gonna run D/R let me see if I can start a war over the rules. I hope to be able to line up with Joe and everyone else in this class in the future.

Thank you Rich on looking at and allowing that head. I should have one at your door come Feb or March, unless I hit the mega millions tonight. 

[Richard Maitre]

Norm,

I think the problem is every winter half a dozen people get on here talking about the Drag Radial car they are building and come the 1st race of the season it's always the same 4 or 5 people all the time showing up.  I would love to be competitive, but I will be out there supporting the class until that time comes.  Basically Joe's WTF was why do you care if your not racing!!

EXACTLY, couldnt of put it any better.

Rich

[85SALEEN]

I think Rich made a good move on letting those heads in. I never said it was the wrong decision, I just stated I thought he sped the class up a bit.

Can I get a weight break for a 4 door car

Just kidding

[bad69bird]

Could someone please explain to me how a Pontiac combo out will have to weight more than a BBC?

It is beyond comprehension that a pontiac combo gets hit with 25lb penalty. 

[bad69bird]

Can I get a weight break for a 4 door car

Just kidding

Why not everybody else does except for a pontiac!

[Bangin Bob]

Hey i would love to give this class a try but all the mounting points for stock suspension are gone. Is anyone seriously interested in a good SBF TFS motor? I would entertain a serious offer at this time? That might help someone who cannot afford a new motor come out and join drag radial for 2011?

[BAD-289]

Hey i would love to give this class a try but all the mounting points for stock suspension are gone. Is anyone seriously interested in a good SBF TFS motor? I would entertain a serious offer at this time? That might help someone who cannot afford a new motor come out and join drag radial for 2011?

8.2 DECK ?

[Bangin Bob]

9.2 did it that way at the time. More manifolds available can also be made bigger cu in.  Would still probably do it that way today? Maybe 8.7