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[Richard Maitre]

I was thinking about the addition of a class, and you all know that I have been working on the PRO N/A class which I would like to see happen, but here are a couple of other thoughts to add cars without the expense, please tell me what you think. Basically thinking of a turn key class that would require little to no teching, and would come with enough racers that their entry would pay the purse...Remember these are only ideas.

Thanks, Rich

[Jimmy Biggs]

You should talk to 422 Motorsports....they want to do a 6 Race low mileage Tour.......they would be an asset

[10secBu]

I have a friend who rode along to VMP last fall. He runs a NSS car and I'd bet he and others would be interested in a local venue to run their cars. If this becomes a more serious consideration, I can put you in contact with him which I'm sure he'd pass the info along to his other NSS contacts.

[10secBu]

If your looking to have more cars show up, the Open Comp idea might be a good one to include. This would allow a wide variety of cars to join in, especially those who may be illegal for a class, or may feel they would not be competetive in the quicker/faster true heads up classes.

While I think the Pro N/A class is a real neat idea, I wonder how many cars are in the area who would fit the format? Would it be possible to have 8 to 10+ cars show up?

The Pro N/A would be great for spectators while an O/C type class would be good to bring more entry level racers on board. Then there NSS which is a real neat mix of cars showing some of drag racings true roots & history.

Many choices out there and I applaud your efforts Rich and keeping an open mind to potential new classes that would blend with the current N/A classes.

Just don't give in to those power adder guys  :shock:  :wink:    :lol: .

[Kurt Butler]

Rich, I feel that nostalgia super stock would be a great class to add to the series. I believe it would be a hit with the fans, especially the 4-speed cars. This area has several NSS racers, who I'm sure would come out and support the class. This should be a turn key deal.

[John Langer]

I vote for open comp.  It allows a bunch of street cars a place to race on a .500 tree.  If you look at the PRO/Edelbrock series, open comp draws the most cars.

[ALLMTR5.0]

NSS.....gotta love those 4 speed cars

[Perk]

I vote for open comp.  It allows a bunch of street cars a place to race on a .500 tree.  If you look at the PRO/Edelbrock series, open comp draws the most cars.

I have to agree and the NMRA is the same way.. 40-50 cars at times...

[fastfairmont]

the older cars are cool but for the most appeal and higher car counts with a minimum of hassle O/C is the way to go. another plus would be that cars that can't keep up with a class will still have a place to run with the group and that would help the overall show.

[Perk]

I am already spreading the word to get a feel from a few of my friends and it seems like it could be a good thing.. Low tech and should have plenty of cars with the open rules..

[Bob Davis]

Rich, I think Nostalgia Super Stock would be a better choice. My concern with Open Comp is the possibility of drawing too many participants. Your venue is a one day event held in conjunction usually with another venue the track has scheduled the same day. It could get real late in the day getting it completed. I think you are going to have large following this year in 10.5 and especially drag radial so a smaller field of NSS cars would compliment your series.

[ALLMTR5.0]

Rich, I think Nostalgia Super Stock would be a better choice. My concern with Open Comp is the possibility of drawing too many participants. Your venue is a one day event held in conjunction usually with another venue the track has scheduled the same day. It could get real late in the day getting it completed. I think you are going to have large following this year in 10.5 and especially drag radial so a smaller field of NSS cars would compliment your series.

I agree, also you can see bracket racing at any track every weekend of the season. open comp may/may not bring a higher car count but I don`t it will draw more spectators.
just my $.02

[BlownbirdX]

Bob has a point,

And with Open Comp, you would have to let power adders in.

Don Barnett
Owner of the fastest 9 second car in the northern hemisphere!


P.S. We need more Emoticons, like one of Todd with a black eye.  :shock:  :wink:    :lol:

[CYRUSWS6]

I think open comp will bring in more street and bracket cars.

[fastfairmont]

o/c does'nt have to mean power adders and bracket cars. the promoter sets the rules and who can run. as long as restrictions were in place to keep the "feel" of the type of car that runs this series it would work.

[Richard Maitre]

This is my idea, let me know what ya think:

2006 Detroit Muscle Car class



GENERAL OVERVIEW:
•   The Detroit Muscle Car class is a class designed for American Made naturally aspirated cars racing in an index format with a 16 car qualified field. **When 24 or more cars entered will go to 32 car field**
•   Cars will be limited to make and models from 1955-1973 and will be allowed with small block and big block power plants.
•   Vehicles are required to be stock appearing and stock bodied of that era and must pass NHRA/IHRA safety inspection for ET and speed.
•   DMC will be based on a handicapped .500 tree. A Sportsman ladder will determine running order. Points will be awarded at end of event to be compiled for end of year points fund.
•   DMC class is to be a combined effort between NSS cars and AMC/NMC classes
ENGINE:
•   All engines are allowed and engine swapping is allowed.  
•   Mufflers not required.
•   Gasoline is the only fuel allowed with the exception of AA/DMC which is allowed alcohol
•   Motor plates are allowed.  
•   There are no limits on cylinder heads or internal engine modifications.
BALLAST:
•   Must be NHRA/IHRA approved mounting and be maximum 100# per individual weight bar and be bolted or welded securely in car.
•   Two ½" bolts per 100#'s.
•   No loose or unsecured ballast allowed.
CARBURETORS/INDUCTION:
•   Any carburetor(s) allowed.
•   DFI and EFI allowed
TRANSMISSION:
•   Any automatic or  oem style manual transmissions allowed. NO clutchless or pro shifted units allowed. The use of a clutch between shifts is a MUST. No devices will be allowed to engage clutch, only foot operated.
•   Any converter OK but ALL SHIFTS must occur manually by the driver.
•   NO AUTOMATIC SHIFTERS!
•   This is a footbrake class. NO transbrakes allowed.
SUSPENSION:
•   Front frame rails must be stock and in stock location. Except AA/DMC can be altered wheelbase and front frame.
•   Mini tubs and notched frame rails allowed.
•   Rack and Pinion conversion for the front suspension is allowed.
•   Wheelbase must be within 1"+/- of stock.
•   Wheelie bars are permitted
INTERIOR:
•   OEM dash and door panels are preferred and interior carpeted, intentions to have OEM appearance.
•   Headliner is preferred.
•   Steering column may be modified, preferred: maintain stock appearance (cover).
•   Two seats are preferred in stock location.
•   Minor variances to the interior rules will be evaluated on a case by case basis.
HOOD AND SCOOP:
•   Cowl induction hoods can be any size. Forward facing to be of oem style of that era
•   Fiberglass panels allowed.
ELECTRICAL:
•   No electronic driving aids allowed.
•   No throttle stops, delay boxes or auto shifters.  
•   Functional headlights preferred as well as taillights, running lights and horn.
•   Data loggers are allowed in DMC but only to be read after a run, Playback tachs allowed.
TIRES:
•   The maximum allowed tire size is 10.5W or DOT equivalent
WEIGHTS:
•   Weights are not a factor in DMC and will not be scaled.
INDEX GROUPINGS
•    AA/DMC    9.50               G/DMC     13.00
•   A/DMC       10.00              H/DMC     13.50
•   B/DMC       10.50               I/DMC      14.00
•   C/DMC       11.00               J/DMC      15.00
•   D/DMC       11.50               K/DMC    15.50
•   E/DMC       12.00
•   F/DMC       12.50

           
STARTING LINE CONDUCT:
•   Courtesy Staging will be in effect at all races. This means that no car can enter the second staging light until both cars have entered the first prestage light.
•   "Deep Staging" is allowed after both cars have prestaged.
•   All cars must stage under their own power, cars must be driven to staging lanes and must be driven across scale, with  the                            exception of a break, then car may be towed back across only with permission.. Bye-runs  not required to run to advance.
SPECIAL NOTES:
•   No N02 equipment will be allowed on the car, all plates, plumbing, selonoids, lines, nozzles, bottles, etc. must be removed from the vehicle. Only exception to the rule will be for first time racers, they will recieve a one race waiver to compete, but the system will be thoroughly inspected and sealed to show its disconnected.

[Eric Ercole]

Rich your killin us lol!!!! I like the idea of an  open comp style class especially because entry level car count should be good.  This should open the door to a ton of street car guys and potentially some super class racers (SG,SC,SS,STK,NSS etc).  Not everyone out there has the $ to run 10.5 or drag radial, and some may be in the works but not yet finished, or some may not know what this series is like.  I think limiting the year is a poor idea.  (wes drove the streetcar to us13 and got smoked 1st rd at least we would have a place for it lol).  If it were up to me i would allow all years, makes, models, as long as it is all motor, run .500 pro tree, .25 second index, transbrakes allowed.  Similar to NSS, EFI and AM all rolled together.  I dont like the .10 under qualifying bracket race.  Just my 2 cents!!!

[fastfairmont]

I agree with Eric that limiting years is a bad idea. I also think that the simpler the rules the better. I feel it should be N/A, no electronics, street car equipment and DOT tires...that's it. The less time you have to spend doing tech and rules enforcement the better. A class that everyone can run will bring more people out.

[Mark Walter]

Rich,

IMHO, you need to consider opening up the years to allow the "other" muscle cars in.  I understand the pure definition of muscle car has this era ending in 1973.  Not many of those cars left around.  Look at what the average youngster is driving on the street....  Camaro, Mustang, etc...

Juat a thought.

Mark

[Bill Hearne]

Rich I like the idea of the Detroit Muscle or American Muscle Car class. It would give me a place to compete more evenly. You should tighten up the car description as far as type and years so that you don't have people showing up with their farm pickups and various things I have seen on Friday nights at Cecil. I thought that the American Muscle class in NSCA had some good restrictions. Also how about requiring mufflers like real street cars.  :wink:    You may have some better ideas.

[JerzeyGirl]

Rich - Would ladder bar suspension be allowed?

[Bill Hearne]

Rich?? Is this topic dead? :cry:

[Richard Maitre]

unfortunately Bill, with a turn of events we have gotten alot more interest from the sponsors about the PRO N/A class and thats what I am going to pursue at the moment. I apologize for the fire drill. But appreciate everyones input, and if we can fit it into the schedule of the day, we will still consider.

Rich

[Bill Hearne]

Thanks Rich. I was just curious. See ya when the weather warms up.

[raj]

I was thinking about the addition of a class, and you all know that I have been working on the PRO N/A class which I would like to see happen, but here are a couple of other thoughts to add cars without the expense, please tell me what you think. Basically thinking of a turn key class that would require little to no teching, and would come with enough racers that their entry would pay the purse...Remember these are only ideas.

Thanks, Rich

[raj]

vote for open comp