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« on: March 19, 2007, 11:50:12 AM »

I installed longer wheel studs yesterday since this and this would not pass tech or even be safe to drive on...

But I think I either buggered up the end of one of the studs or something because now it attempts to cross thread lugnut I put on there. I tried to have one that I thought was straight driven on and it cross threaded and almost ripped all the treads out of the lugnut. It was getting dark and cold last night before I could look it over too much but I think I just buggered up the first few threads and filled it with damaged parts of the broken lugnut. I was thinking of just hitting it with a wire wheel to clean up the threads, but not sure if I should do that or if there are other things that can be done...


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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 01:50:32 PM »

That one I can't help with...dunno
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 01:56:54 PM »

well other people are telling me to use a die on it but I don't know about that since it is the very first thread. I can see a die working if it was messed up in the middle threads where it was already riding on threads and able to clean som mesed up ones, but as the first thread I think it would just start cuttign new threads and mess things up worse. I figured the wire wheel could ride the threads from inside out and clean them up enought to al least then get something on there to chase the threads, any thoughts from you guys?
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 05:49:00 PM »

the wire wheel will probably clean the foreign material from the stud but to realign the threads you are going to need a chaser die or you are going to have to use a small, fine file to get the threads straight again. if the stud is long enough you could also remove the damaged threads and make like a "nose" on the stud to start the nut below the damaged section. Moroso sells long studs with an unthreaded end on them.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 09:36:50 PM »

Well since it's dark out by the time I got home, and I don't have a garage I couldn't look at it, but after looking at the cross threaded lugnut I think the stud might be decent and just has crap from the threads ripped out of the lug lodged in it's threads or something...

These pics don't show it well, but the first few wraps of thread are almost wiped out and there is some of the thread just hanging in there...

http://www.1slowformula.com/images/crossthreaded_lug.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/crossthreaded_lug2.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/crossthreaded_lug3.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/crossthreaded_lug4.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/crossthreaded_lug5.jpg
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 04:55:51 PM »

I believe Snap-on makes a split die kit.  You would put the die up against the hub and run it outwards.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2007, 04:58:45 PM »

Thanks Jason, I will look into that, it sounds like just what I need...
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 05:16:47 PM »

Jason is this the one you were talking about?
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?tool=all&item_ID=9921&group_ID=1164&store=snapon-store

It states: An important feature of the dies in these sets (except GA541 and GAM540) is a small adjusting screw which changes the nominal size .003" under or over to give a tight or loose fit to your thread.

I don't think that will allow it to be placed on by the hub, or were you refering to something else?
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2007, 07:21:16 PM »

OK, some guys on another message board wanted better pics of the damaged stud and lug to see if there was more they could add, so I figured to put them up here too...

http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_stud.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_stud2.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_stud3.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_stud4.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_lug.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_lug2.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_lug3.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_lug4.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_lug5.jpg
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/damaged_lug6.jpg


After looking at them it almost looks like some of the lug threads ripped out and got embedded in the studs threads.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2007, 08:44:42 PM »

You could also cut off the tip of the damaged stud with a cutoff wheel.  Your lug nuts engage plenty far...
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2007, 08:55:53 PM »

Jason is this the one you were talking about?
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?tool=all&item_ID=9921&group_ID=1164&store=snapon-store

It states: An important feature of the dies in these sets (except GA541 and GAM540) is a small adjusting screw which changes the nominal size .003" under or over to give a tight or loose fit to your thread.

I don't think that will allow it to be placed on by the hub, or were you refering to something else?

No, it was something I used to have when I managed a tire store.  I thought it was Snap-on, but I guess not.  I searched their site and couldn't find it.  Couldn't find it on MAC Tools or Cornwell either. 

it was basically a die that was cut in half.  You would place both halves on the wheel stud, then place a socket over the halves, and just run it out.  It would clean up the threads on anything...maybe nobody makes it anymore.

It's not really that difficult to replace the stud anyway...
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2007, 08:34:14 PM »

Get a thread file and be done with it. I ran into a simular issue and chased the threads in all my lugnuts...wow were they boogered.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2007, 08:45:01 PM »

Yeah, the studs are fixed, but they were so bad I had to file off the first wrap of threads... All's good now as far as I can tell, next step is to finish up the suspension, put the interior back in the car, fix a few little things and get the damn car to the track and work on tuning and testing it...

I would hate to not get this thing tested before the first race since I am working off of a completely different suspension (drag shocks and drag rear sway bar), new rear and gearing, and a newwheel/tire combo since the last time I was at the track, So I need to completely test and learn how this setup wants to be launched...
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